Test the Enneagram to Your True Self with Jerry Wagner

Interview by
Dr. Chad Prevost
Dr. Shelley Prevost
Published on
June 9, 2023

In this episode

Dr. Jerome Wagner is a clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, supervisor, consultant in private practice, and emeritus faculty member in the Department of Psychology and Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University, Chicago.

On today's episode, Jerry helps us see that the true self is something that we already have and already are and maybe we don’t really have to go out and "find it," and for all the ways in which we’re different and unique and one of a kind, paradoxically, we’re also very much the same.

He is innovator of the statistically validated Wagner Enneagram Personality Style Scales (WEPPS). He has been researching and teaching the Enneagram since 1980 and began the Enneagram Spectrum Training and Certification Program in 1995.

Our Discussion

4:12--Jerry Wagner's answer to what does Big Self mean to him begins with starting at the surface and working your way down

9:18--The ego is an exaggeration of who we are

16:09--There's a lot to the Enneagram, you can stay surface or go deep

25:23--Start with where you are, your pain point

36:30--The integrative approach to developing with the Enneagram, and the recent development of the subtypes

46:40--Let's not overthink all this, remember the K.I.S.S. method