Beating the Burnout Epidemic with Jennifer Moss

Interview by
Dr. Chad Prevost
Dr. Shelley Prevost
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In this episode

We’ve been covering burnout from our inception at the top of 2020. We've suffered from it in different ways and at different times in our lives. Now we help organizations and leaders deal with it, and we had no idea how acute it would become and how the screws would tighten with the circumstances and chaos of the pandemic.

And who better to bring on the show to discuss her own unique strategies and experiences than Jennifer Moss? In her compelling new book, Moss argues our current strategies are getting it all wrong – that self-care won’t cure burnout and organizations need to entirely rethink their approach to wellness. Leveraging her latest research and evidence-based solutions, her recent book, The Burnout Epidemic: The Rise of Chronic Stress and How We Can Fix It, will help leaders and individuals prevent burnout for healthier, happier, and more productive workplaces.

We tend to think of burnout as a problem we can solve with self-care: more yoga, better breathing techniques, and more resilience. But evidence is mounting that applying personal, Band-Aid solutions to an epic and rapidly evolving workplace phenomenon isn't even close to enough.

Moss’s book is eye-opening, paradigm-shifting, and offers a practical guide, laying bare the real causes of burnout and how organizations can stop the chronic stress cycle that an alarming number of workers suffer through. Self-care is important, but it's not a cure-all for burnout.

Our Discussion

4:31--The root causes of burnout

6:28--The World Health Organization definition of burnout

8:05--When your leaders are passionate about their work and they become less aware of the model they're setting

9:30--Feeling external pressure in high growth organizations

12:10--Industries we're seeing a lot of burnout in

14:08--Overwork is responsible for 2.8 million deaths last year

18:38--Research on video conferencing fatigue

23:52--How Jennifer used to look down on burnout before she went through it

26:30--Seeing an accumulation of small traumas leading to grief

31:30--The Big Self Takeaway